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The Debate Results Are In!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another McCain Campaign blunder!  The Poll results are in.

Who won the debate?  Biden 48%  Sarah Palin 48%  Neither 4%

How did Sarah Palin perform?  Better than average 32%  Average 64%  Below average 4%

How did Joe Biden perform?  Better than average 46%  Average 19%  Below average 35%

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Some More Musings on the Debate!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having another day to ponder the debate I no longer think that the loser of the debate was Sarah Palin or Joe Biden.  The real loser was the moderator Gwen Ifill.  I think that she was rendered impotent by the reports of her upcoming book about black politicians.  One chapter which is dedicated to Barak Obama gave the McCain Campaign a decisive advantage.

Once her book became public knowledge it constrained her ability to reign in the renegade Palin lest she be seen as favoring Biden and by extension Obama.  And believe me; Palin took full advantage of it.  When two parties agree to a set of rules, generally both sides follow to keep the tone of the debate flowing freely.  I have never seen a debate where one of the participants told the moderator that she was not going to answer the question asked and go back to a previous topic that had been closed.

Palin further exacerbated things with her silly antics.  Her repeated winks, what was up with that?  Did she somehow think that see could seduce the crowd and the millions of viewers who watched.  Her oft repeated remarks about Alaska and what she did there was enough to make anyone in the lower forty-eight nauseas.  Like McCain she played straight to the camera when spewing out her talking points.  I was able to feel just how shallow and uninformed she really is.  Trying to win Miss Congeniality is better suited to a beauty pageant.

How clever of the McCain Campaign to make something out of nothing.  Gwen Ifill is one of the most respected and neutral journalist on television today.  By pointing out the upcoming book,  which won’t be published until after the election, it effectively kept Ifill from controlling the debate as a moderator should.  Score one for the McCain Campaign.  However, this trick has come a little too late to save his sinking campaign.

 

You still have time to vote on who won the debate!  https://eehard.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/who-won-the-debate-2/

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Palin Gets McCain Stance on Homeowner Protections Wrong!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Palin Gets McCain Stance on Homeowner Protections Wrong

October 03, 2008 12:46 AM

ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports:

Sarah Palin got her facts wrong in Thursday’s debate with Joe Biden when discussing where John McCain stands on new protections for homeowners facing foreclosures.

The Alaska governor incorrectly made it sound like McCain supports giving bankruptcy judges the power to rewrite mortgage payment terms on first homes.

He doesn’t.

The McCain campaign confirms to ABC News that Palin misstated McCain’s position.

“No, that is what is called the cramdowns, which is so objectionable that Obama didn’t even want it jammed into the stabilization bill,” said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers when asked if McCain supports giving bankruptcy judges the power to re-adjust the interest rate and principal to help people stay in their homes.

Palin’s mistake came when the debate’s moderator asked her if Biden was right in thinking that she and McCain oppose giving bankruptcy judges this new power.

“[W]e should be allowing bankruptcy courts to be able to re-adjust not just the interest rate you’re paying on your mortgage to be able to stay in your home, but be able to adjust the principal that you owe, the principal that you owe,” said Biden. “That would keep people in their homes, actually help banks by keeping it from going under.

“But John McCain, as I understand it,” he continued, “I’m not sure of this, but I believe John McCain and the governor don’t support that. There are ways to help people now. And there — ways that we’re offering are not being supported by — by the Bush administration nor do I believe by John McCain and Governor Palin.”

“Governor Palin, is that so?” asked PBS’ Gwen Ifill.

“That is not so,” said Palin, “but because that’s just a quick answer.”

The Alaska governor then quickly changed the subject to energy.

ACORN, a liberal group which advocates on behalf of low- and moderate-income people, seized on Palin’s seeming endorsement of the Obama-Biden position and is now trying to use them to pressure McCain to change his official position.

“Sarah was just being Sarah,” ACORN’s Charles Jackson told ABC News. “It’s clear from the transcript that she supported the provision that Senator Biden  brought up.  We’ll see if McCain’s handlers will allow her to continue to hold that position tomorrow.” 

ACORN would like the Republican presidential nominee to change his position but the McCain campaign has already made it clear that is not going to happen.

While giving bankruptcy judges the power to rewrite mortgage terms would keep more Americans in their homes, opponents of the idea worry that it could scare investors away from wanting to securitize mortgages for fear that their steady payment schedule could be disrupted by a bankruptcy judge.

“A better approach would reflect the HOME Plan which John McCain proposed in April, which would have allowed credit worthy mortgage holders to rework their troubled mortgages,” said Rogers, the McCain spokesman. “A component of the FHA insured proposal included a work-out formula that provided the homeowner with a 10 percent equity stake.”

ABC News’ Terry Moran and Z. Byron Wolf contributed to this report.

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Debate after Party!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After her debate performance, Palin and her entourage went out for a night on the town.  Cub reporter E4BH managed to get an exclusive photo of palin out on the dance floor.  Drop it like its hot Sarah.  Dedicated to ptfan1.

 

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She Still Knows Nothing

 Palin proved that she can speak in complete sentences, but not that she understands anything about foreign policy.

Sarah Palin. Click image to expand.Sarah Palin
So Gov. Sarah Palin can speak spontaneously in complete and coherent sentences.

Let’s judge her, then, as we would a presumptively seasoned and competent political leader. By that standard, on issues of foreign policy, she was outgunned by Sen. Joe Biden at every turn.

And more than Sen. Barack Obama, who could have answered some of Sen. John McCain’s charges more forcefully in last week’s debate, Biden made no effort to muffle his fire. When Palin called Obama’s plan for a phased withdrawal from Iraq “a white flag of surrender,” Biden shot back that the plan was identical to the policy of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

When Palin repeated her charge that Obama was “beyond naive” in calling for negotiating with adversaries “without preconditions,” Biden explained what the phrase meant, then noted that it was supported not just by the five former secretaries of state who recently co-authored an endorsement of the idea but by our allies, with whom Palin had just said we needed to work together.

When Palin recited McCain’s line about applying the principles of the Iraqi surge to Afghanistan, Biden (correctly) noted that the U.S. commanding general in Afghanistan has said the surge wouldn’t work there. (By the way, it does not bother me at all that Palin referred to Gen. Dave McKiernan as “Gen. McClellan.” We all make mistakes like that now and then.)

Finally, when Biden said the Bush administration’s foreign policy has been an “abject failure,” and proceeded to list the many ways in which that was so, Palin’s only reply was to smile and say, “Enough playing the blame game.” If Obama and Biden talk so much about change, she added (as if this were really a clever point), why do they spend so much time looking backward?

To which Biden replied, with uncharacteristic pith, “Past is prologue.” And so it is. At another point, he noted, “Facts matter.” And so they do.

More to the point, he noted that McCain has never explained how his policies would differ from Bush’s on Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, or Iraq. In other words, even if Palin is right that 2009 is Year Zero, what would she and her No. 1 do differently? She didn’t answer the question, any more than McCain ever has, perhaps because there is no answer.

When Biden was asked what line he would draw in deciding whether to intervene in other countries militarily, he cited two criteria: whether we had the capacity to make a difference and whether the countries in question were committing genocide or harboring terrorists—in which case, he said, they would have forfeited the rights of sovereignty.

Palin replied merely by hailing John McCain as a man “who knows how to win a war, who’s been there.” (McCain has said this about himself as well several times, though, with all due respect for his military record, where’s the proof of this claim? What wars has he won, and what did he do there?)

One might disagree with Biden’s criteria of intervention as excessively expansive, but at least it’s an arguable position. Palin’s reply was a cliché. That sums up her performance as a whole.

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Who Won The Debate!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who do you think won last night’s debate?  Personally, I thought that Senator Biden won the debate.  He was knowledgeable and came off as Presidential.  Governor Palin, to her credit did better than I expected.  However, she refused to articulate how McCain would implement the changes and reforms he wants to make.  She also seemed to not fully understand what the duties of the vice president are as spelled out in the Constitution.  She did very well in sticking to her talking points but offered nothing of substance.  I also had problems with her refusing to answer questions posed by the moderator.  She again showed her lack of understanding of foreign policy by suggesting that we move our embassy to Jerusalem.  Anyway tell me what you think.  Poll results will be announced on Monday.

 

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McCain vs. Palin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

McCain vs. Palin

By Ruth Marcus
Tuesday, September 30, 2008; A19 – Washington Post

 Forget Joe Biden. I’d like to see John McCain debate Sarah Palin.

McCain’s scorn for Barack Obama was on unrestrained display in Friday night’s debate. How dare this impudent whippersnapper imagine he can be president, you could almost see McCain thinking. I’m the one who’s racked up the frequent-flier miles to Waziristan! Henry Kissinger and I were BFFs when Obama was glued to “The Brady Bunch”! Listening to McCain debate was like a stroll down foreign policy memory lane: Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko. George Shultz, “our great secretary of state.” Perestroika. SDI.

Those were the days, my friend. We thought the Cold War would never end.

“Back in 1983, when I was a brand-new United States congressman. . .,” McCain reminisced. And, “I supported Nunn-Lugar back in the early 1990s.” By the time McCain described how the Pakistan-Afghanistan border “has not been governed since the days of Alexander the Great,” you were half-expecting that he was going to tell you about how he led the congressional delegation that met with Alexander.

All this looking back doesn’t strike me as a politically smart tactic — or is that strategy? McCain risked coming off as the crotchety uncle who insists on telling you the same war stories — over and over, no matter how off-point they are. No voter looking into the financial abyss believes the most pressing budgetary problem is $3 million to study bear DNA.

And for McCain to open the debate by noting that Ted Kennedy was in the hospital — a gracious touch, certainly, but reminding the audience about an ailing senior senator is not the optimal move for a 72-year-old cancer survivor seeking the presidency.

Which brings me to Palin, and my continuing — no, make that deepening — mystification over McCain’s choice. I can understand how he views Obama as untested and unprepared.

I can’t square that dismissive attitude with McCain’s selection of Palin.

McCain’s fundamental argument in pursuit of the presidency is that he has the background to do the job. He made this point again and again Friday night. “I’ve been involved, as I mentioned to you before, in virtually every major national security challenge we’ve faced in the last 20-some years. There are some advantages to experience, and knowledge, and judgment.” Or, “The important thing is I visited Afghanistan and I traveled to Waziristan and I traveled to these places and I know what our security requirements are.”

And so therefore I picked a running mate who didn’t have a passport two years ago? Asked about that by Katie Couric, Palin explained that “I’m not one of those who maybe come from a background of, you know, kids who perhaps graduated college and their parents get them a passport and a backpack and say, ‘Go off and travel the world.’ ”

Instead, Palin said, “the way that I have understood the world is through education, through books, through mediums that have provided me a lot of perspective on the world.”

This would be more reassuring if Palin had demonstrated more evidence of having read extensively about history or world affairs. Asked in an interview for PBS’s Charlie Rose show last year ( http://www.charlierose.com/guests/sarah-palin) about her favorite authors, Palin cited C.S. Lewis — “very, very deep” — and Dr. George Sheehan, a now-deceased writer for Runner’s World magazine whose columns Palin still keeps on hand.

“Very inspiring and very motivating,” she said. “He was an athlete and I think so much of what you learn in athletics about competition and healthy living that he was really able to encapsulate, has stayed with me all these years.”

Also, she got a Garfield desk calendar for Christmas 1987 that made a big impression.

McCain is a voracious reader of history. The day before the New Hampshire primary, I sat on his campaign bus listening to him hold forth about William Manchester on Douglas MacArthur.

And in his most recent book, “Hard Call,” McCain explains why knowledge of history matters: “Great statesmen who have been praised for their ability to see around the corner of history knew their history before they looked beyond it, and they understood the forces that drove it in one direction or another.” If there is evidence that Palin has that understanding, it is yet to emerge. Peering around the corner of history with Palin as vice president is a terrifying prospect.

marcusr@washpost.com

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